Help with starting/information
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Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 2:59 pm
New here and could use a little help. i pulled out my snowblower and put fresh gas and new sparkplug in it but can not get it to start. when i press the primer it does not seem to be pushing gas to carb just air. i took the line off and it is just pushing air. It will run for a few seconds when i put gas down the sprak plug but will not continue to run. Here is the info i have on it via the back information sticker...
Canadiana outdoor Products INC
Noma Company
Model number GPS825E
Does nayone known where i can get some info on this model (carb model and spec or anything else on it)
any help would be great.....
Author: ramit
Date: 10 Dec 2006 4:24 pm
Welcome to the Forum!
Sorry don't know your blower.. but some basics...
What line did you take off, the primer bulb or the fuel line?
Is there a shut off valve in the fuel line?
Using the choke?
Starting is: choke closed, 3-4 pumps of the primer and then pull.
If it's a plastic tank, with a plastic vented cap, is the inside of the cap intact? ( there's a retainer and a rubber piece, just wondering if they fell into the tank and covered the hole)?
The primer bulb doesn't push fuel , but provides a suction to the carb to help fuel flow into it, jump start the gravity feed.
Did you run it dry of gas last year before storage or leave full in it?
If you left fuel in it, the float could be stuck up/closed.
Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 4:29 pm
tks for the reply. It is a plastic tank cap. I took off the primer hoes and the fuel lines to check them both. I took off the bowel of the carb and lots of fuel is there. How could i check the float. It does not seem to be getting fuel.
Author: ramit
Date: 10 Dec 2006 4:40 pm
When you took off the bowl, there should have been a little float hanging there. When it's down gas should continue to leak out since the little pin valve it controls would be open and gravity would have fuel coming out from the tank.
If it was stuck up, and that fuel was left over from last year, when you removed the bowl... no gas would come out since the float stuck up would keep the valve shut.
I would have guessed that once it ran a bit it should have sucked the bowl dry.
Was there fuel on the fuel line when you took it off?
Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 4:54 pm
Yes there was fuel in the fuel line and bowel. The float did come down and the needle opened and gas did continue to pour out....
Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 4:55 pm
Also it ran becasue of the gas i put into the camber via the spark plug.....
Author: ramit
Date: 10 Dec 2006 5:09 pm
So it sounds as if it's not getting from the carb through the metering sections and into the cylinder.
And it ran fine when you put gas in the spark plug hole?
Was the blower put away full of fuel?
Sounds as if the carb needs a good cleaning if the mixture adj screws weren't fiddled with.
If they are in their original place and the fully adjustable kinds, not the new EPA type.
While counting the number of turns, turn the mixture adjustment screws in till they stop, very gently, don't force. Make a note for each.
Clamp off the fuel line,
Remove the fuel bowl.
Remove the carb mixture adj screws and flush with carb cleaner.
Reinstall the adj screws, turn all the way in, gently, don't force them to bottom out. Then back each one off the number of turns you recorded for that mixture adj screw.. 1 and a 1/4 , or 2 and a half.. what ever they were.
May want to wait to see what others think.
But that would be my next step, as a backyard mechanic.
Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 5:12 pm
that's a little out of my knowledge. know the screws were not tampered with at all. It did run fine but only for a few seconds9when the fuel i put in ran out.....
Author: ramit
Date: 10 Dec 2006 5:31 pm
it just burned off what was in the head.
Doesn't seem to be getting fuel from the carb.
I don't know what engine you have on there, even if I knew, I don't have pictures of the carb to point out the screws.
But you did have the bowl off.
So once you knew where the mixture screws were, it wouldn't be hard.
Again, plenty of much much more knoweldge people on here then I, so hang in there. More input will probably be coming.
In the mean time, got a picture of the blower you can post?
Maybe a picture of the carb?
Author: habfan
Date: 10 Dec 2006 5:57 pm
It is a Tecumseh 8 hp engine. I looked at my first post and realized i missed that point.........how do you post photos
Author: ramit
Date: 10 Dec 2006 6:43 pm
you need a place to 1st put them up on line.
Like if your ISP gives you space,
or
www.photobucket.com
you can get free photo hosting.
Then when your writing a reply..
you post the web address of the photo in your reply.
Highlight the address with your mouse.
Then click the Img button you see just above the text box, to the right.
The forum will then put the img tags in front and at the end of the address you had highlighted.
so in the end it looks like this,
But with the address for your image's location and the name of the image.
Author: Majorxlr8n
Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:12 am
Welcome Habfan! I assume you're a Montreal Canadian fan? :)
When you removed the carb bowl, it was secured by a bolt that looks something like this:
See those small holes? Run a fine wire thru them. Then spray well with carb cleaner. Repeat the 2 processes. Chances are that they are clogged & that is keeping your machine from starting/running...
Marty
Author: habfan
Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:35 am
Will try that. TKS Yep Montreal Canadian fan all the way......
Author: habfan
Date: 11 Dec 2006 1:05 pm
ok got it running with cleaning the bolt tks but now it won't keep running without the choke on. if i turn it complely off it will shut off. any ideas?
Author: ramit
Date: 11 Dec 2006 1:29 pm
Back to needed an overall on the carb.
Or buy a new carb for ~ 60 - 80 bucks, or the gasket kit.
The overall is really: remove, disassemble and clean.
As long as the needle valves and float are in good condition.
Sounds like what ever clogged the orifices in the above bolt, has clogged the others on the carb.
If you do remove and clean the carb, follow the tips above for removing the mixture screws.
Running with the choke on all the time will cause an early death for the engine.