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Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 8:44 am
Sometimes the site is extremely slow. I'm just wondering if it is just our computers here in Nova Scotia or if anyone else finds it. Sometimes I just zoom right to a topic and other times it seems that I crawl backwards up a hill.
Please tell me it isn't just me or Chris...
Sherri
Author: krislu
Date: 30 Dec 2005 9:42 am
It's been fine for me. - Kris :D
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 9:45 am
It seems like that it has it's "moments". Like this morning I had posted in another thread and the site was slow and I double posted :oops: , but now it seems to be whizzing right through everything like a hot knife through soft butter.
Sherri
Author: Marshall
Date: 30 Dec 2005 9:50 am
I've noticed some moments too Sherri.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 9:53 am
Are they just computerized blonde moments?
Sherri
Author: Marshall
Date: 30 Dec 2005 9:54 am
Don't know yet, looking though. :wink:
Author: Highwind
Date: 30 Dec 2005 10:28 am
It seems to go slow at times here too. Even when logged on and its going fast, it might be slow to update on a "refresh". Then a short time later its fine.
Maybe it isn't the site or its server, but just that the WWW (world wide waster) is slow. Depends on whether the link is via Dharkar, Sri Lanka and Moscow, when the server is only in the next room. :lol:
There must be a joke about contacting the person in the next office via e-mail that goes through 10 countries first.
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 10:38 am
I noticed about 3 periods of the forum being slow.
I too saw it this morning, probably about the same time Sherri did.
The home page was wizzing along, I went there to see if maybe it was the server (if both are slow then it's just not the forum but maybe traffic on the server or something).
I checked google news and it was speeding along, so figured it wasn't me or my connection.
If you do see a slow period, look to see if there are a lot of people on ( guests and members , they're listed differently on the bottom of the mainpage of the forum).
At one point / slow down/ I noticed like 6 updates on one thread almost at the same time. That will be noticeable.. the forum software will have a lot of work to make that all happen at almost the same time.
I only saw that once out of the three slow down periods.
There is supposed to be a point where the phpBB boards hit critical mass and will have just soo much content that they will cause slow downs at times. Think about it, each time you want to see an area or the main board with summary, each time, the forum software has to go and pull all the info from the database and then show it to you, it's all real time. Not like a static webpage. So the more info (posts) the software has to sort through, the longer it will take to show you what you want to see. The more people there are asking for that info, the longer it takes.
When we hit critical mass, thats the time we will have to archive and prune.
I've read from other admins, that about 10,000 posts, they've seen things start to bog down a bit.
One opinion was to attempt to wait and archive and prune each season.. snowblower and lawnmower ! Which makes good sense.
To make that span, we may just have to prune the general chat area earlier. But we are watching and trying to feel it all out.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 10:42 am
I think I understood all that, thanks! :D
Sherri
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 10:45 am
Highwind wrote:
It seems to go slow at times here too. Even when logged on and its going fast, it might be slow to update on a "refresh". Then a short time later its fine.
Maybe it isn't the site or its server, but just that the WWW (world wide waster) is slow. Depends on whether the link is via Dharkar, Sri Lanka and Moscow, when the server is only in the next room. :lol:
There must be a joke about contacting the person in the next office via e-mail that goes through 10 countries first.
Highwind,
That's a good observation.
If we are finding what the real slow down is, such as the act of hitting the Submit button and wait for getting back to the thread with our new post, and the board is not full of others posting... we may have hit critcal mass and need a pruning to bring the response back.
The others points are funny, but true, that's why I check the home page and google news and such to see what my connection is like.
Back in the 80's, email was soooo slow, we use to call to see if some one got the email we sent.. at times it took a week !!!!! Ok, so that was NY to Califiornia.. but even to PA we saw emails take almost a week at times and thought it was like magic when it happened in the same day.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 10:49 am
Okay a trimming back of the bad weeds could be helpful. I errrr....ahhhh, notice that this place slows down quite a bit when I'm trying to make a post or get back from making a post.
Is it just me or should I stop and ask for directions? :P
Sherri
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 11:00 am
MissSnowshoveler wrote:
Okay a trimming back of the bad weeds could be helpful. I errrr....ahhhh, notice that this place slows down quite a bit when I'm trying to make a post or get back from making a post.
Is it just me or should I stop and ask for directions? :P
Sherri
I don't think it's you..
Think of the forum this way..
The forum is a software package of like 2,000 files that do things and command things. That one end of it.
Those files that make up the forum software need a place to store all the info that we read and write.
The place that all the info is stored is like 25 different spreadsheets / lookup tables.
There are two different types of lookup tables, those that have ID tags and what they are for and those with the actual data.
These look up tables are for the different areas, topics, messages, members, stats.
Each time one reply is done they all are either referenced or updated.
It's amazing stuff.. but lots of work.
so the bigger and fatter the tables get, the more there is to handle and sort through on the a particular table.
I notice we have a fair amount of people on... 5 members and 3 guests.
Each time someone wants to view a new page or thread, the forum software builds that screen that will be shown to the member/guest in real time. Posting a new message, topic, reply requires that each table gets rewritten and saved each time. Now think about the software having todo that for 8 people at the same time. It's pretty amazing stuff.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 12:28 pm
Glad that my software was installed 28 years ago. That means I'm obsolete, no more can be made and there are no updates to keep me from crashing.
Seriously I think I know what you're trying to say. I find computer things hard to wrap my mind around.
Sherri
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 12:38 pm
Your a smart lady, if we were in person and could actually discuss it, the light bulb would go off.. I have a hard time describing it in written words.
So my writing ain't helping either.
Author: Highwind
Date: 30 Dec 2005 12:48 pm
MissSnowshoveler wrote:
Glad that my software was installed 28 years ago. That means I'm obsolete, no more can be made and there are no updates to keep me from crashing.
Seriously I think I know what you're trying to say. I find computer things hard to wrap my mind around.
Sherri
28 year old operating system installed? Why that means you are using DOS 2.1 - Dame Operating System. No general protection faults, no blue screen of death, and it couldn't multi-task, but handled one job at a time with great dedication. :wink: :lol:
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 12:54 pm
Yeah, "hands on" is always a better deal. This Christmas Dad got Mom a laptop with Simply Accounting. No problem for them, I have to sit down and figure out the new computer (not that hard) and figure out the software and then be able to explain it to Mom and Dad and have them understand what I just told them. I haven't touched the software yet, it has to be brought into the shop and be installed on the shop computer as well.
Onto another topic (like that has never happened) - if I want to register the Simply Accounting software to be used on both computers, do I just install the software and register it on 1 computer or does it have to be registered on both? The shop computer is the only one on the net as of now. Dad didn't have virus protection installed on the laptop, so it's going to stay off line for a bit. I haven't touched it since I wrapped it before Christmas and I've been avoiding it like the plague.
Is there any halp out there for me?
Sherri
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 12:58 pm
I'll have you know that I multi-task very well. Right now, I'm waiting for the phone to ring, a customer to come, readying the papers for dreaded inventory, and visiting here! I'm very well trained...
Yeah, "hands on" is always a better deal. This Christmas Dad got Mom a laptop with Simply Accounting. No problem for them, I have to sit down and figure out the new computer (not that hard) and figure out the software and then be able to explain it to Mom and Dad and have them understand what I just told them. I haven't touched the software yet, it has to be brought into the shop and be installed on the shop computer as well.
Onto another topic (like that has never happened) - if I want to register the Simply Accounting software to be used on both computers, do I just install the software and register it on 1 computer or does it have to be registered on both? The shop computer is the only one on the net as of now. Dad didn't have virus protection installed on the laptop, so it's going to stay off line for a bit. I haven't touched it since I wrapped it before Christmas and I've been avoiding it like the plague.
Is there any help out there for me?
Sherri
Author: Paula
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:08 pm
MissSnowshoveler wrote:
Yeah, "hands on" is always a better deal. This Christmas Dad got Mom a laptop with Simply Accounting. No problem for them, I have to sit down and figure out the new computer (not that hard) and figure out the software and then be able to explain it to Mom and Dad and have them understand what I just told them. I haven't touched the software yet, it has to be brought into the shop and be installed on the shop computer as well.
Onto another topic (like that has never happened) - if I want to register the Simply Accounting software to be used on both computers, do I just install the software and register it on 1 computer or does it have to be registered on both? The shop computer is the only one on the net as of now. Dad didn't have virus protection installed on the laptop, so it's going to stay off line for a bit. I haven't touched it since I wrapped it before Christmas and I've been avoiding it like the plague.
Is there any halp out there for me?
Sherri
Sherri
My understanding on the software is if its for single user application, you are supposed to only install it on one computer and, I believe, only register it once and, thus, receive support for one. It will probably install on more than one computer although I think some software has built-in a 'copyright Nazi' to prevent you from doing so (will error out). So I guess I would advise installing it on the computer its going to be used most on first and then on the other computer(s) after that so if it doesn't take the second install, you won't have to buy a new package or a multi-user lisence to be able to install it again on your parents.
Just my $.02.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:22 pm
There the computer goes again, doubling my post although I don't know how it done it this time. Go figure...
Sherri
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:35 pm
Paula wrote:
Sherri
My understanding on the software is if its for single user application, you are supposed to only install it on one computer and, I believe, only register it once and, thus, receive support for one. It will probably install on more than one computer although I think some software has built-in a 'copyright Nazi' to prevent you from doing so (will error out). So I guess I would advise installing it on the computer its going to be used most on first and then on the other computer(s) after that so if it doesn't take the second install, you won't have to buy a new package or a multi-user lisence to be able to install it again on your parents.
Just my $.02.
That's how I understand it too. But Dad said that the computer place told him that he could register it on both computers as long as they were in the same business. I don't want to screw up the program on this computer as it will be basically used on the laptop. Dad doesn't want to hook the laptop to the net without virus protection (smart move on his part). So I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'll probably call the computer place shortly after the new year to find out what I can about the laptop as a whole. After all I'll be the one mom calls when something happens. :?
Sherri
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:47 pm
I thought I had a PCDos 1.0 somewhere (an original IBM pre Billy I think), still might, but the oldest I could find is MSDos 3.2... 1986, just about 20years.. 8 years earlier I don't even think Billy G was dreamin about Dos.... I think Apple and SPC/IBM were the only ones, considering how much todo MS gets about Dos.
Thats the oldest manual I have on the shelf, who knows what's in the boxes.
I have one box thats like the history of the modem, from 300baud and up including a trueblue IBM 1200. Up to my last 56ks from my BBS days.
The stuff still works, just can't bring myself to chuck it.
Author: MissSnowshoveler
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:51 pm
ramit my friend, I think those papers would make great furnace fire starters. :D :lol: :shock:
SHerri
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:56 pm
MissSnowshoveler wrote:
Paula wrote:
Sherri
My understanding on the software is if its for single user application, you are supposed to only install it on one computer and, I believe, only register it once and, thus, receive support for one. It will probably install on more than one computer although I think some software has built-in a 'copyright Nazi' to prevent you from doing so (will error out). So I guess I would advise installing it on the computer its going to be used most on first and then on the other computer(s) after that so if it doesn't take the second install, you won't have to buy a new package or a multi-user lisence to be able to install it again on your parents.
Just my $.02.
That's how I understand it too. But Dad said that the computer place told him that he could register it on both computers as long as they were in the same business. I don't want to screw up the program on this computer as it will be basically used on the laptop. Dad doesn't want to hook the laptop to the net without virus protection (smart move on his part). So I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'll probably call the computer place shortly after the new year to find out what I can about the laptop as a whole. After all I'll be the one mom calls when something happens. :?
Sherri
You need to read the EULA, end user license agreement.
It usually says you only have a the right to install it on one machine, per liscence.
But usually to cheat, if you install and register it on one machine, and it doesn't need to phone home to the software nazis' then you could get away with installing it on the second, putting your reg code in and be fine.
But I'm 99% sure that would violate the EULA.
To be 100% legal you usually have to buy a second box, or a box with multiply liscenses.
If it has "Product Activation" where it has to get on the internet to register itself and "activate" itself like Norton AV and many others.. then you may run into a snag when you install it on the second machine, and it wont work till you let it phone home and activate itself.
You can install it on the laptop, not hooked up to the internet.
If putting in the reg code that came with the software in the box, works and the software functions, it doesn't need to phone home or do a "product activation".
Author: ramit
Date: 30 Dec 2005 1:56 pm
MissSnowshoveler wrote:
Paula wrote:
Sherri
My understanding on the software is if its for single user application, you are supposed to only install it on one computer and, I believe, only register it once and, thus, receive support for one. It will probably install on more than one computer although I think some software has built-in a 'copyright Nazi' to prevent you from doing so (will error out). So I guess I would advise installing it on the computer its going to be used most on first and then on the other computer(s) after that so if it doesn't take the second install, you won't have to buy a new package or a multi-user lisence to be able to install it again on your parents.
Just my $.02.
That's how I understand it too. But Dad said that the computer place told him that he could register it on both computers as long as they were in the same business. I don't want to screw up the program on this computer as it will be basically used on the laptop. Dad doesn't want to hook the laptop to the net without virus protection (smart move on his part). So I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'll probably call the computer place shortly after the new year to find out what I can about the laptop as a whole. After all I'll be the one mom calls when something happens. :?
Sherri
You need to read the EULA, end user license agreement.
It usually says you only have a the right to install it on one machine, per liscence.
But usually to cheat, if you install and register it on one machine, and it doesn't need to phone home to the software nazis' then you could get away with installing it on the second, putting your reg code in and be fine.
But I'm 99% sure that would violate the EULA.
To be 100% legal you usually have to buy a second box, or a box with multiply liscenses.
If it has "Product Activation" where it has to get on the internet to register itself and "activate" itself like Norton AV and many others.. then you may run into a snag when you install it on the second machine, and it wont work till you let it phone home and activate itself.
You can install it on the laptop, not hooked up to the internet.
If putting in the reg code that came with the software in the box, works and the software functions, it doesn't need to phone home or do a "product activation".